Comments on: The Three Newest Flaws in Cap-and-Trade http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/ Pricing carbon efficiently and equitably Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:07:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jonny Fuel Saver http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-224564 Jonny Fuel Saver Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:23:34 +0000 http://www.carbontax.org/?p=3371#comment-224564 I definitely supported this tax. I'm for anything that helps with energy efficiency. I know I might be a little late on the issue, but I still appreciate the information. Better late than never, and it's good to see that we're still doing a lot to save energy I definitely supported this tax. I’m for anything that helps with energy efficiency. I know I might be a little late on the issue, but I still appreciate the information. Better late than never, and it’s good to see that we’re still doing a lot to save energy

]]> By: cl juniper http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-132758 cl juniper Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:06:18 +0000 http://www.carbontax.org/?p=3371#comment-132758 CK's article demos the reality of infinite complications surrounding cap and trade, and virtually any regulatory "command and control" scheme with complicated subject matter. I believe carbon taxes are the better solution because they will send market price signals to everyone directly; they can be easily understood and debated; and they are in synch with the fact of externalities - which sustainability warriors/economists like myself need the vast majority of the population to intellectually embrace. NRC has estimated partial coal-fired electricity externalities (not including climate change, mercury pollution or water pollution) as 3.2 cents per kWh; an economist estimated total externalities at 16 cents a few years ago. While carbon taxes strictly for carbon related externalities are only part of that puzzle, at least they'd get the public more used to the idea that externalities need to be infused into prices, whereas cap and trade muddles that basic message. Simplicity is a virtue. CK’s article demos the reality of infinite complications surrounding cap and trade, and virtually any regulatory “command and control” scheme with complicated subject matter. I believe carbon taxes are the better solution because they will send market price signals to everyone directly; they can be easily understood and debated; and they are in synch with the fact of externalities – which sustainability warriors/economists like myself need the vast majority of the population to intellectually embrace. NRC has estimated partial coal-fired electricity externalities (not including climate change, mercury pollution or water pollution) as 3.2 cents per kWh; an economist estimated total externalities at 16 cents a few years ago. While carbon taxes strictly for carbon related externalities are only part of that puzzle, at least they’d get the public more used to the idea that externalities need to be infused into prices, whereas cap and trade muddles that basic message. Simplicity is a virtue.

]]> By: Kay371 http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-126607 Kay371 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:20 +0000 http://www.carbontax.org/?p=3371#comment-126607 When it comes to climate protection I support a carbon tax over cap and trade. Carbon taxes by themselves provide powerful new incentives for businesses and industries to invest in more energy-efficient technologies and alternative fuels that could actually reduce CO2 emissions. And they provide funds for new advanced low carbon energy and carbon-reducing technology. When it comes to climate protection I support a carbon tax over cap and trade. Carbon taxes by themselves provide powerful new incentives for businesses and industries to invest in more energy-efficient technologies and alternative fuels that could actually reduce CO2 emissions. And they provide funds for new advanced low carbon energy and carbon-reducing technology.

]]> By: David Collins http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-126548 David Collins Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:11:44 +0000 http://www.carbontax.org/?p=3371#comment-126548 My wife and I were talking over breakfast this morning about how political partisanship has poisoned discourse. If you favor taking action to protect the climate, you gotta be a Democrat; Republicans either deny the danger or claim doing anything about it is bad. If you stand up for Honduras, you gotta be a Republican. Afghanistan is going that way: Democrats favor pulling out; Republicans favor going in deeper; the only wars worth fighting are for political power in the US. Regarding climate protection, we I passionately support the Carbon Tax. And we have noticed that (a) it is getting increasingly good attention; (b) even major industries that have long held anti-protection positions are now championing the Carbon Tax; and (c) so-called “think-tanks” that have long questioned (and often still do) whether Anthropogenic Global Warming exists are also broadcasting that we should go with the Carbon Tax instead of Cap’n Trade. Ergo, we are now coming to suspect that these industries and “think-tanks” (sometimes I think they should be called “stink-stanks”) are singing this hymn in the new-found belief that it is a good way to put off doing anything about climate protection, figuring that nothing with “tax” in its name will ever get done. This way, they can successfully play the rôle of hemorrhoids in the sphincter of climate progress while appearing virtuous. Therefore, we must lift pæans of praise to them, albeit in a slightly different key. My wife and I were talking over breakfast this morning about how political partisanship has poisoned discourse. If you favor taking action to protect the climate, you gotta be a Democrat; Republicans either deny the danger or claim doing anything about it is bad. If you stand up for Honduras, you gotta be a Republican. Afghanistan is going that way: Democrats favor pulling out; Republicans favor going in deeper; the only wars worth fighting are for political power in the US.

Regarding climate protection, we I passionately support the Carbon Tax. And we have noticed that (a) it is getting increasingly good attention; (b) even major industries that have long held anti-protection positions are now championing the Carbon Tax; and (c) so-called “think-tanks” that have long questioned (and often still do) whether Anthropogenic Global Warming exists are also broadcasting that we should go with the Carbon Tax instead of Cap’n Trade. Ergo, we are now coming to suspect that these industries and “think-tanks” (sometimes I think they should be called “stink-stanks”) are singing this hymn in the new-found belief that it is a good way to put off doing anything about climate protection, figuring that nothing with “tax” in its name will ever get done. This way, they can successfully play the rôle of hemorrhoids in the sphincter of climate progress while appearing virtuous.

Therefore, we must lift pæans of praise to them, albeit in a slightly different key.

]]> By: CTF http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/09/29/the-three-newest-flaws-in-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-123350 CTF Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:36:59 +0000 http://www.carbontax.org/?p=3371#comment-123350 Bravo! Bravo!

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