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	<title>Comments on: Carbon Cap and Trade:  How Wall Street Will Game the Regs and Trash the Planet</title>
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		<title>By: Casino Game Rules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casino Game Rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all this hype is just because now it was profitable to market it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all this hype is just because now it was profitable to market it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will &#124; Portable Greenhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will &#124; Portable Greenhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will   Posted by root 20 minutes ago (http://www.carbontax.org)        Comment by bendoublecrossed april 18 2009 1 20 pm in the april 19 new york times magazine there is an powered by wordpress designed by nick grossman        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will   Posted by root 20 minutes ago (<a href="http://www.carbontax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbontax.org</a>)        Comment by bendoublecrossed april 18 2009 1 20 pm in the april 19 new york times magazine there is an powered by wordpress designed by nick grossman        Discuss&nbsp;  |&nbsp; Bury |&nbsp;    News | Carbon Tax Center Carbon Cap and Trade How Wall Street Will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Ocampo G</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ocampo G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the April 19 NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE there is an &quot;interview&quot; with Steven Chu
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/magazine/19wwln-q4-t.html
in which he states, &quot;Well, we’re not talking about a carbon tax. President Obama and I are not talking about a carbon tax.&quot; Not long ago he said the Carbon Tax is the way to go.


The CTC says the Carbon Tax is the way to go. So do Mankiw and a host of others. (Me too.) &quot;The science is settled&quot; except for a few outliers. &quot;The economics is settled&quot; except for a few outliers. But obviously, &quot;The politics is NOT settled&quot; -- the outliers are on the high ground and us grunts are trudging along in the swamp. What&#039;s to be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the April 19 NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE there is an &#8220;interview&#8221; with Steven Chu<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/magazine/19wwln-q4-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/magazine/19wwln-q4-t.html</a><br />
in which he states, &#8220;Well, we’re not talking about a carbon tax. President Obama and I are not talking about a carbon tax.&#8221; Not long ago he said the Carbon Tax is the way to go.</p>
<p>The CTC says the Carbon Tax is the way to go. So do Mankiw and a host of others. (Me too.) &#8220;The science is settled&#8221; except for a few outliers. &#8220;The economics is settled&#8221; except for a few outliers. But obviously, &#8220;The politics is NOT settled&#8221; &#8212; the outliers are on the high ground and us grunts are trudging along in the swamp. What&#8217;s to be done?</p>
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		<title>By: BenDoubleCrossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenDoubleCrossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Concept of CO2 Cap and Trade is Absurd

The real reason Cap &amp; Trade is being foisted on the world is it creates a 3 trillion dollar commodity market for you guessed it: hot air. Finally politicians have found a way to put a price on their most abundant resource! And for politicians there is no downside as nothing has to be actually produced.  The real beneficiaries are the rich special interest who will get wealthier setting up and trading in this new commodities market.

The cost will be past to citizens who will pay more taxes to operate new regulatory bureaucracies and more for goods as business passes the cost along to them.

All this based on the premise that operating automobiles is resulting in global warming.  Question: did Fred Flintstones truck fleet cause the last period of global warming or is global warming a cyclical event that is more affected by sun spot cycles. The Earth has had multiple tropical and glacial ages over the millennia. The most recent news is that the oceans of the world will be cooling for the next 25-30 years. 

Furthermore, it is my understanding that the most prevalent hot house gas is water vapor. Should citizens of earth try to stop the rain cycle?

And if we are going to implement Cap and Trade who will decide what the optimal CO2 carrying capacity of Earth is?

And there are questions about how to implement financial controls and reliably audit such a system.  Will every person and business on the planet be issued C02 permits?  Is the permit an asset a business can liquidate when it goes out of business? If a business in California goes out of business and sells its CO2 permit to a company in England, will a new company in California have to find another seller to open his business and replace lost jobs? After all, if there is an optimal CO2 carrying capacity then an increasing population of people and businesses means a lower standard of living and reduced CO2 allotment for each new person or business.

Upon their death can Mom and Dad leave their CO2 permits to their children?  Should Mom and Dad be limited to having two children?

What about the countries that do not subscribe to Cap &amp; Trade.  Will multi-national companies export new construction and jobs to 3rd world non-subscribing countries? And the flipside, will the people of the Amazon miss out on new opportunities because an American company bought 1000s of acres to be left unused to acquire carbon sequestration credits.</description>
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<p>The real reason Cap &amp; Trade is being foisted on the world is it creates a 3 trillion dollar commodity market for you guessed it: hot air. Finally politicians have found a way to put a price on their most abundant resource! And for politicians there is no downside as nothing has to be actually produced.  The real beneficiaries are the rich special interest who will get wealthier setting up and trading in this new commodities market.</p>
<p>The cost will be past to citizens who will pay more taxes to operate new regulatory bureaucracies and more for goods as business passes the cost along to them.</p>
<p>All this based on the premise that operating automobiles is resulting in global warming.  Question: did Fred Flintstones truck fleet cause the last period of global warming or is global warming a cyclical event that is more affected by sun spot cycles. The Earth has had multiple tropical and glacial ages over the millennia. The most recent news is that the oceans of the world will be cooling for the next 25-30 years. </p>
<p>Furthermore, it is my understanding that the most prevalent hot house gas is water vapor. Should citizens of earth try to stop the rain cycle?</p>
<p>And if we are going to implement Cap and Trade who will decide what the optimal CO2 carrying capacity of Earth is?</p>
<p>And there are questions about how to implement financial controls and reliably audit such a system.  Will every person and business on the planet be issued C02 permits?  Is the permit an asset a business can liquidate when it goes out of business? If a business in California goes out of business and sells its CO2 permit to a company in England, will a new company in California have to find another seller to open his business and replace lost jobs? After all, if there is an optimal CO2 carrying capacity then an increasing population of people and businesses means a lower standard of living and reduced CO2 allotment for each new person or business.</p>
<p>Upon their death can Mom and Dad leave their CO2 permits to their children?  Should Mom and Dad be limited to having two children?</p>
<p>What about the countries that do not subscribe to Cap &amp; Trade.  Will multi-national companies export new construction and jobs to 3rd world non-subscribing countries? And the flipside, will the people of the Amazon miss out on new opportunities because an American company bought 1000s of acres to be left unused to acquire carbon sequestration credits.</p>
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