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	<title>Comments on: Dion: “Make Polluters Pay and Put Every Single Penny Back into the Hands of Canadians”</title>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go once again.....increasing the child tax benefit, increasing the employment credit, enriching the working income tax benefit, and making the Disability&#160;Tax Credit refundable....what about the pensioners who make up a goodly percentage of our population and already bear significant tax burdens?????
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go once again&#8230;..increasing the child tax benefit, increasing the employment credit, enriching the working income tax benefit, and making the Disability&nbsp;Tax Credit refundable&#8230;.what about the pensioners who make up a goodly percentage of our population and already bear significant tax burdens?????<br />
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am soooooo glad I am not a Canadian anymore.&#160; My sister (who is still in Canada and still proud to be a Canadian) told me&#160;about&#160;Dion ideas. &#160;Wow, have you read Animal Farm laterly &quot;two legs bad, four legs good.&#160; The consumer some how is still going to get it in the end, and pitting green and not green against each other is still trying to divide and conqeur.&#160; Of course what politician isn&#039;t trying to better himself by causing some group to hate some other group.&#160; Those rich polluting oil companies need to pay and you green consumers need to get a tax break.&#160; Come on now.&#160; We need to be responsible about our planet, not dictated to about how I am going to rob from the rich evil &quot;not green&quot; people and give to the poor children and families.&#160; Let&#039;s see if the rich evil companies won&#039;t cut some jobs out to pay for the new found taxes.&#160; 
  Good luck in your elections and this new&#160;revenue neutral&#160;tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am soooooo glad I am not a Canadian anymore.&nbsp; My sister (who is still in Canada and still proud to be a Canadian) told me&nbsp;about&nbsp;Dion ideas. &nbsp;Wow, have you read Animal Farm laterly &quot;two legs bad, four legs good.&nbsp; The consumer some how is still going to get it in the end, and pitting green and not green against each other is still trying to divide and conqeur.&nbsp; Of course what politician isn&#8217;t trying to better himself by causing some group to hate some other group.&nbsp; Those rich polluting oil companies need to pay and you green consumers need to get a tax break.&nbsp; Come on now.&nbsp; We need to be responsible about our planet, not dictated to about how I am going to rob from the rich evil &quot;not green&quot; people and give to the poor children and families.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s see if the rich evil companies won&#8217;t cut some jobs out to pay for the new found taxes.&nbsp;<br />
  Good luck in your elections and this new&nbsp;revenue neutral&nbsp;tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephane Dion the Inspector Clouseau of Politicians, I bet he has a $250,000 Image Consultant, who laughs all the way to the bank. This guy would make any party lose, just proves to me more and more every day that those liberal fanatics that join the liberal party just get lured in by the other university students who know where the free beer is for the after election party. Good Luck Inspector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephane Dion the Inspector Clouseau of Politicians, I bet he has a $250,000 Image Consultant, who laughs all the way to the bank. This guy would make any party lose, just proves to me more and more every day that those liberal fanatics that join the liberal party just get lured in by the other university students who know where the free beer is for the after election party. Good Luck Inspector.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Ulasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor Ulasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Green Shift and even more - it is a global emergency and everyone must&#160;sacrifice something, somehow.&#160; It is absurd and alarming that Prime Minister Harper and many others say that because China and India pollute more than Canada does we need not do anything costly or significant.&#160; Should I then not clean up my yard, maintain my residence responsibly, recycle, compost,&#160;because my neighbours don&#039;t -take the attitude I won&#039;t do it until they do?&#160; How irresponsible and ridiculous!&#160; WE have been blessed with so much therefore we must do more.&#160; That is what REAL LEADERS do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Green Shift and even more &#8211; it is a global emergency and everyone must&nbsp;sacrifice something, somehow.&nbsp; It is absurd and alarming that Prime Minister Harper and many others say that because China and India pollute more than Canada does we need not do anything costly or significant.&nbsp; Should I then not clean up my yard, maintain my residence responsibly, recycle, compost,&nbsp;because my neighbours don&#8217;t -take the attitude I won&#8217;t do it until they do?&nbsp; How irresponsible and ridiculous!&nbsp; WE have been blessed with so much therefore we must do more.&nbsp; That is what REAL LEADERS do.</p>
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		<title>By: Demolition &#124; Raisingspaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demolition &#124; Raisingspaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to get all political on you are anything, but that&#8217;s why a carbon tax like the one proposed by Stephane Dion is such a great thing. It would make the human labour in the above question cheaper, and the diesel [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to get all political on you are anything, but that&#8217;s why a carbon tax like the one proposed by Stephane Dion is such a great thing. It would make the human labour in the above question cheaper, and the diesel [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atmospheric CO2 concentration is a function of human population growth. So the planets&#039; population grows another 30 percent over the next 20 years. The green shift has nothing to say about this. This policy is a &quot;solution&quot; to a problem that people don&#039;t want to define. The relationship of our institutions to technolgy and our attitudes to nature require profound reform--and they talk about CO2 emissions instead. If the liberals are so intent upon creating another tax which enrichs government (note no contribution by government to solution of problem), then I suggest a huge tax on post secondary education as this is obviously the most polluting structure in society (it gives credentials to complete morons like Dion). &#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atmospheric CO2 concentration is a function of human population growth. So the planets&#8217; population grows another 30 percent over the next 20 years. The green shift has nothing to say about this. This policy is a &quot;solution&quot; to a problem that people don&#8217;t want to define. The relationship of our institutions to technolgy and our attitudes to nature require profound reform&#8211;and they talk about CO2 emissions instead. If the liberals are so intent upon creating another tax which enrichs government (note no contribution by government to solution of problem), then I suggest a huge tax on post secondary education as this is obviously the most polluting structure in society (it gives credentials to complete morons like Dion). &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the posts on this site, and seeing what the &quot;Green&quot; crowd has in store for the world, all I can say is God Help Us All!!!!&#160; You people truely freighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the posts on this site, and seeing what the &quot;Green&quot; crowd has in store for the world, all I can say is God Help Us All!!!!&nbsp; You people truely freighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still too complicated! &#160;I like Hansen&#039;s &quot;Carbon Tax and 100% Dividend&quot; approach better. &#160;Nevertheless, an interesting development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still too complicated! &nbsp;I like Hansen&#8217;s &quot;Carbon Tax and 100% Dividend&quot; approach better. &nbsp;Nevertheless, an interesting development.</p>
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		<title>By: James Handley</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Green Shift&quot; says a lot in two words.

Nothing greener than &quot;Green&quot; and a tax &quot;Shift&quot; means replacement of one revenue source with another.  Thus, Dion&#039;s referring to taxes, but pointing to a &quot;green&quot; change in the funding source (&quot;tax things we want less of&quot;) and in revenue distribution (&quot;into the hands of Canadians&quot;).  

Impressive elegance; I&#039;d never guess that English is Dion&#039;s second language!  

The Senate debate started to clear the smokescreen.  Lieberman&#039;s cap-and-trade scheme IS a clumsy, ineffective and easily-manipulated tax that would have enriched traders and corporate energy interests.     

Global warming deniers and fossil fuel corporations hope that uttering the word &quot;tax&quot; will crash ANY measure to price carbon.  

As you suggest, Beth, we&#039;re focusing attention on the benefits (both individual and global) of a revenue-neutral carbon tax.  But it&#039;s difficult to be heard.  So many folks react to the word &quot;tax&quot; as if it were &quot;torture&quot; or &quot;terrorism.&quot;  They never hear that we&#039;re proposing to distribute the tax revenue (collected &quot;upstream&quot; from fossil fuel producers) to individuals.  

I like &quot;Carbon Tax and Dividend&quot; -- a bit more descriptive and might help balance the story, but Dion&#039;s &quot;Green shift&quot; seems unbeatable.  

We don&#039;t want to be accused of hiding the fact that we seek to price carbon and yet we don&#039;t want to turn people off before they hear our proposal.  

Our strategy is lots of good information.  Pass the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Green Shift&#8221; says a lot in two words.</p>
<p>Nothing greener than &#8220;Green&#8221; and a tax &#8220;Shift&#8221; means replacement of one revenue source with another.  Thus, Dion&#8217;s referring to taxes, but pointing to a &#8220;green&#8221; change in the funding source (&#8220;tax things we want less of&#8221;) and in revenue distribution (&#8220;into the hands of Canadians&#8221;).  </p>
<p>Impressive elegance; I&#8217;d never guess that English is Dion&#8217;s second language!  </p>
<p>The Senate debate started to clear the smokescreen.  Lieberman&#8217;s cap-and-trade scheme IS a clumsy, ineffective and easily-manipulated tax that would have enriched traders and corporate energy interests.     </p>
<p>Global warming deniers and fossil fuel corporations hope that uttering the word &#8220;tax&#8221; will crash ANY measure to price carbon.  </p>
<p>As you suggest, Beth, we&#8217;re focusing attention on the benefits (both individual and global) of a revenue-neutral carbon tax.  But it&#8217;s difficult to be heard.  So many folks react to the word &#8220;tax&#8221; as if it were &#8220;torture&#8221; or &#8220;terrorism.&#8221;  They never hear that we&#8217;re proposing to distribute the tax revenue (collected &#8220;upstream&#8221; from fossil fuel producers) to individuals.  </p>
<p>I like &#8220;Carbon Tax and Dividend&#8221; &#8212; a bit more descriptive and might help balance the story, but Dion&#8217;s &#8220;Green shift&#8221; seems unbeatable.  </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want to be accused of hiding the fact that we seek to price carbon and yet we don&#8217;t want to turn people off before they hear our proposal.  </p>
<p>Our strategy is lots of good information.  Pass the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After learning more about the basics of the carbon tax concept by reading about how it is proposed in Canada, it occurred to me that the words &quot;carbon tax&quot; don&#039;t say enough.&#160; the word &quot;tax&quot; has a negative connotation and it doesn&#039;t tell the rest of the plan that people would see is to their benefit.&#160; Can the name &quot;carbon tax&quot; be changed to incorporate some of the positive part of the story?Beth&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After learning more about the basics of the carbon tax concept by reading about how it is proposed in Canada, it occurred to me that the words &quot;carbon tax&quot; don&#8217;t say enough.&nbsp; the word &quot;tax&quot; has a negative connotation and it doesn&#8217;t tell the rest of the plan that people would see is to their benefit.&nbsp; Can the name &quot;carbon tax&quot; be changed to incorporate some of the positive part of the story?Beth&nbsp;</p>
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