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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2723</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendell,&#160; We agree that the carbon tax should be revenue neutral with the proceeds returned through rebates or offsetting reductions in the payroll tax or another tax.&#160; You are correct that carbon hogs will lose out and carbon misers will benefit.&#160; See our discussion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carbontax.org/issues/softening-the-impact-of-carbon-taxes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;softening the impact of carbon taxes&lt;/a&gt;. &#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendell,&nbsp; We agree that the carbon tax should be revenue neutral with the proceeds returned through rebates or offsetting reductions in the payroll tax or another tax.&nbsp; You are correct that carbon hogs will lose out and carbon misers will benefit.&nbsp; See our discussion of <a href="http://www.carbontax.org/issues/softening-the-impact-of-carbon-taxes/" rel="nofollow">softening the impact of carbon taxes</a>. &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Laposata</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2722</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Laposata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Representative Stark&#039;s bill is a regressive tax affecting a poor person or a&#160;person on a fix income much more than it affects a more affluent person.&#160; Not good to my way of thinking.&#160; Also, what would the government do with all of the money collected, fritter it away in another stupid war?
  A better idea is to return every dime of the money collected to the citizens&#160;equally.&#160; If you are a&#160;carbon hog, you don&#039;t get back as much as you put in.&#160; If you are a carbon miser, you get back much more than you paid.&#160; Now why didn&#039;t Stark propose that?&#160; Perhaps he was thinking about how he would have fun spending our $$!&#160;&#160;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative Stark&#8217;s bill is a regressive tax affecting a poor person or a&nbsp;person on a fix income much more than it affects a more affluent person.&nbsp; Not good to my way of thinking.&nbsp; Also, what would the government do with all of the money collected, fritter it away in another stupid war?<br />
  A better idea is to return every dime of the money collected to the citizens&nbsp;equally.&nbsp; If you are a&nbsp;carbon hog, you don&#8217;t get back as much as you put in.&nbsp; If you are a carbon miser, you get back much more than you paid.&nbsp; Now why didn&#8217;t Stark propose that?&nbsp; Perhaps he was thinking about how he would have fun spending our $$!&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />
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		<title>By: Mr. Meester</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Meester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Warming Rerun</p>
<p>The following quote is regarding the potential catastrophic and<br />
undeniable global climate change; &quot;The evidence in support of these<br />
predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that<br />
meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it.&quot; This was a quote<br />
from an article in Newsweek about climate change. The article ran in<br />
April, 1975. But it&#8217;s not about global warming, it&#8217;s about global<br />
cooling. Remember global cooling? For those of us old enough to<br />
remember the only question was whether we were going to freeze to<br />
death before we starved to death. Change global cooling to global<br />
warming and they could reprint the article today. Back on Jan 2, 1939,<br />
the Times claimed the earth is getting warmer. On Feb. 24, 1895 the<br />
Times published, “Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again”.<br />
The story has changed from cooling to warming back to cooling and now<br />
warming again. It’s changed so many times the news media now use the<br />
more flexible term of “global change” in stead of “global warming”.<br />
The latest predictions claim that global warming might well trigger<br />
another ice age. I guess this way they are covered no matter which way<br />
the temperature goes.</p>
<p>I believe that if there is a cause of this hyped up phenomenon called<br />
&quot;global warming&quot; it has more to do the increase in technology<br />
regarding thermometers rather than the carbon emissions created by<br />
man. Sound too simple to be true, hear me out. I started attending<br />
Devry, a computer science school, in 1982. One of the classes required<br />
that I write a paper about a device that would be improved by using<br />
new digital technology computer chips other than computers. I chose<br />
the device of digital thermometers that were replacing mercury type<br />
thermometers in weather stations. I remember the fear at the time was<br />
the more accurate digital thermometers were going to give us a false<br />
sense of security because the more accurate thermometers would make it<br />
appear that the temperatures around the world would be getting warmer<br />
when in fact the temperatures were cooling.</p>
<p>Digital thermometers were implemented over a period of time, mostly in<br />
the 1980’s. They still continue to upgrade stations throughout the<br />
world to this day. Not only are the new thermometers more accurate but<br />
they are electronically read and stored rather than manually read by<br />
humans. Oddly enough if you look at the charts that show global<br />
warming, the rise in temperature started the same year that the<br />
digital thermometers started replacing mercury type thermometers. This<br />
trend of &quot;global warming&quot; seems to increase as the more accurate<br />
thermometers are installed around the world.</p>
<p>In an attempt to compensate, climatologists have altered all the<br />
historical data sets not once, not twice, but five times in an attempt<br />
to offset the more accurate temperature readings. This means that by<br />
their own admissions they have rewritten history 5 times. In all the<br />
articles about global warming have you ever heard anything about this?</p>
<p>Has technology affected climate data? I have looked for articles<br />
supporting this fact, but most of the global cooling articles seem to<br />
have disappeared since we didn&#8217;t die by 1985 as predicted in the<br />
Newsweek Article. Thank god for the Internet. I found a referenced<br />
article by NOAA . In order to use the altered data sets to support the<br />
increase in temperature in the 1980&#8242;s they have to reference the<br />
supporting article written by Quayle, R.G., D.R. Easterling, T.R.<br />
Karl, and P.Y. Hughes, 1991: Effects of recent thermometer changes in<br />
the cooperative station network, Bull. Am. Meteorol. Soc. Thou a bit<br />
dry reading it’s very revealing. Here is part of the abstract written<br />
in November 1991. Which can be found at<br />
<a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991BAMS...72.1718Q:" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991BAMS...72.1718Q" rel="nofollow">http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991BAMS&#8230;72.1718Q</a>:</p>
<p>&quot;During the past five years, the National Weather Service (NWS) has<br />
replaced over half of its liquid-in-glass maximum and minimum<br />
thermometers in wooden Cotton Region Shelters (CRSS) with<br />
thermistor-based Maximum-Minimum Temperature Systems (MMTSS) housed in<br />
smaller plastic shelters. Analyses of data from 424 (of the 3300) MMTS<br />
stations and 675 CRS stations show that a mean daily minimum<br />
temperature change of roughly +0.3°C, a mean daily maximum temperature<br />
change of 0.4°C, and a change in average temperature of 0.1°C were<br />
introduced as a result of the new instrumentation. The change of 0.7°C<br />
in daily temperature range is particularly significant for climate<br />
change studies that use this element as an independent variable.<br />
Although troublesome for climatologists, there is reason to believe<br />
that this change (relative to older records) represents an improvement<br />
in absolute accuracy. The bias appears to be rather sharp and well<br />
defined&quot;.</p>
<p>Read that a couple of times and let that sink in. It says that the<br />
more accurate thermometers are futzing up the way they track changes<br />
in temperatures in a big way. 0.7°C equals 1.3°F, that&#8217;s almost<br />
halfway to melting the polar caps. You will read reports about ice<br />
glaciers around the world disappearing from the World Glacier<br />
Monitoring Service. Of the 67,000 glaciers in the world they only used<br />
30 in their report. That’s called cherry picking. If you read through<br />
the report you will find the Hubbard Glacier is not included. The<br />
Hubbard Glacier, which is one of the largest in the world, is actually<br />
growing at an alarming average rate of 104 feet per year. It has<br />
already compromised a dam and is expected to annihilate an entire<br />
fishing village.</p>
<p>What’s the end game? The global warming end game seems to be Grants<br />
and Taxes. That&#8217;s right it all comes down to money, who didn&#8217;t see<br />
that coming? This is a hay day for weather science grants. Last year<br />
we, the tax payers, shelled out 4 billion tax dollars to study global<br />
warming. Next you are probably going to see carbon offset taxes being<br />
proposed. They will start off taxing the oil companies, because<br />
everyone will be in favor of that. Eventually it will be a tax we all<br />
pay at the pump. If we start questioning this science now, we can<br />
avoid another bogus tax and go back to the original story of freezing<br />
and starving to death.</p>
<p>Where does the data supporting global warming come from? For the most<br />
part it comes from the United Nations. They started this rerun over a<br />
decade ago. The UN was attempting to force the US to pay countries<br />
like Germany and China billions of dollars for carbon offsets through<br />
what is called The Kyoto Protocol, which neither the Clinton or the<br />
Bush administration would sign. The Kyoto Protocol would have mandated<br />
that the US, which has some of the strictest EPA standards in the<br />
world, would not only have to increase our EPA standards at a great<br />
expense to me and you, but we would have to use our tax money to pay<br />
country&#8217;s with virtually no EPA standards to continue their industrial<br />
pollution of the world. It was an attempt to redistribute wealth by<br />
the UN plain and simple.</p>
<p>The UN and Al Gore point to the World Meteorological Organization Data<br />
to support its claim of Global Warming. The WMO sounds like a credible<br />
organization, but you will find the WMO is financed and run by our<br />
friends at the UN. Its entire 1,800 climatologists on staff are paid<br />
by the UN. Furthermore all 1,800 scientists seem to agree global<br />
warming is absolute science and we are to blame. Now when is the last<br />
time you have ever seen 1,800 scientists agree on anything? The first<br />
call should have been to the Guiness Book of World Records.</p>
<p>Recently Terry Goddard wrote an article on global warming citing the<br />
organization called “Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change”.<br />
Sounds official and unbiased, that is until you look at who funds the<br />
IPCC. It is run by the World Meteorological Organization, and who<br />
funds the WMO, that’s right, our friends at the UN again. It seems to<br />
me all these organizations that are claiming “global warming” have one<br />
thing in common; they are all funded by the United Nations. Am I the<br />
only one that finds that suspicious?</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t think for a minute we are all going to freeze to death,<br />
but I do think that our media is being irresponsible. Are we warming<br />
or cooling? Get back to me in a couple hundred years and we will have<br />
some real answers. If the world is warming is man to blame for it, I<br />
doubt it. The earth has been changing and compensating for changes for<br />
millions of years and will continue to do so for millions more, that<br />
we can be sure of. Should we try and cut back on pollution?<br />
Absolutely, no one is against that. But let’s look at who is pointing<br />
the fingers at global warming and what their agenda is before we break<br />
out our wallets for a new tax.</p>
<p>Recently we had another crisis that was going to potentially end life<br />
as we knew it in the modern world. After billions of dollars were<br />
spent we found it to be one of the biggest cons of modern history<br />
known as Y2K. Y2K reminds me of this Carbon Offsets scam, where you<br />
pay money to a company that will supposedly plant trees or something<br />
like that. For example Al Gore said to make himself &quot;carbon neutral&quot;<br />
he bought his &quot;Carbon Offsets&quot; from Generation Investment Management.<br />
Guess who the chairman of GIM is? The one and only Al Gore. He&#8217;s<br />
buying carbon offsets from himself! That sounds like a retirement plan<br />
to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2673</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any more recent postings, so here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scidev.net/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=readnews&amp;itemid=3625&amp;language=1&amp;utm_source=feed-1&amp;utm_medium=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to a story on carbon taxes and the global poor.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any more recent postings, so here is a <a href="http://www.scidev.net/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=readnews&amp;itemid=3625&amp;language=1&amp;utm_source=feed-1&amp;utm_medium=rss" rel="nofollow">link</a> to a story on carbon taxes and the global poor.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2382</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that $10/ton is too low, but with an annual escalation the numbers get to be respectable in a few years.&#160; I also agree that greenhouse gases should be addressed as well.&#160; Still, Rep. Stark&#039;s bill is a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that $10/ton is too low, but with an annual escalation the numbers get to be respectable in a few years.&nbsp; I also agree that greenhouse gases should be addressed as well.&nbsp; Still, Rep. Stark&#8217;s bill is a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: qeriz</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>qeriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax on GHG emissions is a good idea, if the program is designed well. * $10 per ton of Carbon is too small to bring any substantial change. * And how about greenhouse gases other than CO2?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax on GHG emissions is a good idea, if the program is designed well. * $10 per ton of Carbon is too small to bring any substantial change. * And how about greenhouse gases other than CO2?</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Crisis Coalition - Daily News &#187; Weekend Summary</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Crisis Coalition - Daily News &#187; Weekend Summary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carbon Tax Bill Introduced in Congress. Press Release, Rep. Pete Stark, April 26 2007. &#8220;U.S. Representative Pete Stark (D-CA), a senior member of the Committee on Ways and Means with jurisdiction over U.S. tax policy, today introduced the Save Our Climate Act (H.R. 2069). This legislation would impose a tax on carbon-based fossil fuels to slow climate change. &#8216;Predictable, transparent and universal, a carbon tax is a simple solution to a difficult problem. It would drastically reduce our carbon dioxide emissions by providing an economic disincentive for the use of carbon-based fossil fuels and an incentive for the development and use of cleaner alternative energies. The Save Our Climate Act would establish the United States as a global leader in environmental protection and encourage other nations – most of whom have already acknowledged the climate change threat – to take similar action to reduce emissions. I strongly encourage Congress to pass a carbon tax.&#8217; An initial tax of $10 per ton of carbon content will be assessed on coal, petroleum and natural gas when these fossil fuels are initially removed from the ground or imported into the United States. The tax will increase by $10 each year, freezing when a mandated report by the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Energy determines that carbon dioxide emissions have decreased by 80 percent from 1990 levels.&#8221; Go to the Carbon Tax Center for more information on the bill. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He would have a much better chance of passing this if it were a tax shift rather than a tax increase.&#160; 
  Increase the carbon tax by $10 per ton each year.&#160; Decrease the Income Tax and Social Security tax enough that the total taxes Americans pay remain the same.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He would have a much better chance of passing this if it were a tax shift rather than a tax increase.&nbsp;<br />
  Increase the carbon tax by $10 per ton each year.&nbsp; Decrease the Income Tax and Social Security tax enough that the total taxes Americans pay remain the same.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Crisis Coalition - Daily News &#187; Daily News</title>
		<link>http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2007/04/26/rep-stark-introduces-carbon-tax-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Crisis Coalition - Daily News &#187; Daily News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carbon Tax Bill Introduced in Congress. Press Release, Rep. Pete Stark, April 26 2007. &#8220;U.S. Representative Pete Stark (D-CA), a senior member of the Committee on Ways and Means with jurisdiction over U.S. tax policy, today introduced the Save Our Climate Act (H.R. 2069). This legislation would impose a tax on carbon-based fossil fuels to slow climate change. &#8216;Predictable, transparent and universal, a carbon tax is a simple solution to a difficult problem. It would drastically reduce our carbon dioxide emissions by providing an economic disincentive for the use of carbon-based fossil fuels and an incentive for the development and use of cleaner alternative energies. The Save Our Climate Act would establish the United States as a global leader in environmental protection and encourage other nations – most of whom have already acknowledged the climate change threat – to take similar action to reduce emissions. I strongly encourage Congress to pass a carbon tax.&#8217; An initial tax of $10 per ton of carbon content will be assessed on coal, petroleum and natural gas when these fossil fuels are initially removed from the ground or imported into the United States. The tax will increase by $10 each year, freezing when a mandated report by the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Energy determines that carbon dioxide emissions have decreased by 80 percent from 1990 levels.&#8221; Go to the Carbon Tax Center for more information on the bill. [...]</p>
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